Can someone help explain my dad's logic?

"Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen" (sportwagen) 04/08/2015 at 18:21 • Filed to: None

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I was talking to him about modifying the 'wagen and I brought up the HPFP failures (HammerheadFistpunch?) and I suggested buying the special Micron filters that catch the pieces that get into the fuel line before destroying the whole fuel system. When I asked him about them he said:

Well, if it fails we'll just sell it and buy you a Honda Civic

Uh, what? He spent $200 on Samco hoses for his Liberty CRD and got an EGR "repair" kit...

Yet he won't let me use my own money to try to do preventative maintenance to the car that he will drive maybe once or twice a year (because college in another state).

There is also the issue of the DPF Filter clogging. I asked what he would do if that happened...

he responded with:

Well, we will just trade it in and buy you a nice, reliable Honda Civic

Because thats a big enough issue that a Takata airbag is nothing...

and 100 more > Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen 04/08/2015 at 18:27

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Because thats a big enough issue that a Takata airbag is nothing...

Not to alarm you, but i think your father is trying to kill you.

Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen > and 100 more 04/08/2015 at 18:27

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Maybe :(

Only 39 days from graduating high school...

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen 04/08/2015 at 18:29

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There's "nice reliable Honda Civic" and there's spending money on preventative maintenance, and anybody who doesn't understand the latter shouldn't be in charge of any car being maintained whatsoever, even a NRHC.

SVTyler > Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen 04/08/2015 at 18:31

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Can someone help explain my dad's logic?

I don't believe any of that is logic...

Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 04/08/2015 at 18:31

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He doesn't seem to understand just how much stuff can go wrong with my VW... we've been lucky to only have one thing (hatch latch) fail in 4 years and 87k miles.

If (When) the HPFP goes out I plan on getting either an NA Miata or an AW11/SW20 MR2 (or maybe even something like the Saab 9-3 on the FP for today's NPOCP which I nominated on Sunday)

and 100 more > Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen 04/08/2015 at 18:33

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Life insurance policy, by any chance?

HammerheadFistpunch > Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen 04/08/2015 at 18:33

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The DPF will clog. period. Its just a matter of time. As for the HPFP, its about 1 in 10, but changing the fuel filter annually and getting all the water out of the housing is the easiest way to prevent that one. Good news on the HPFP is that when it goes, even if you are out of warranty, they usually cover you because they know its their fault.

Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen > SVTyler 04/08/2015 at 18:34

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^this

this is kind of how he is

RallyWrench > Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen 04/08/2015 at 18:34

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Relevant info: I just found out 2 weeks ago from my VW dealer that under instruction from VWNA they can no longer release new injection pumps to anyone but dealer service departments. As in, I can't buy one as an independent, and I spend thousands of dollars a month with these guys. So I can't fix my clients' cars. They stock everything else for the job, including injectors. STOCK!! But the pump itself is special order. Also, the recommended parts alone including injectors, lines, in tank pump, HPFP, pressure sensors, etc are now $4000+.

As far as the DPF, I've found the exhaust pressure sensors themselves to be much more problematic, and have fixed several cars with exhaust pressure codes by replacing the offending sensor and running a DPF regeneration.

Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen > HammerheadFistpunch 04/08/2015 at 18:36

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only 1 in 10? I thought it was like a 50% failure rate?

We change the oil and fuel filter every 10k miles (about every 4-6 months)

If it fails... oh well

Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen > and 100 more 04/08/2015 at 18:37

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He did mention that...

HammerheadFistpunch > Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen 04/08/2015 at 18:37

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depends on who you ask, some people say 50/50, other say 1 in 10 or better. Yeah, thats about the best you can do.

Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen > RallyWrench 04/08/2015 at 18:37

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Why not just LS swap?

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

PS9 > Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen 04/08/2015 at 18:38

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Here's your dad's logic;

Cars are appliances.

like any good appliance, it needs to 'just work'

When it doesn't, discard it for a new one, just like any appliance

Honda goooooood, VW baaaaaaad

Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen > PS9 04/08/2015 at 18:38

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:(

I agree

Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen > HammerheadFistpunch 04/08/2015 at 18:41

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If it fails I get another car so...

and if not? That makes him king of the assholes!

Mr. Ontop, No Strokes, No Smokes...Goes Fast. > Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen 04/08/2015 at 18:43

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Speaking as a father facing having to pay college tuition in a few years for two kids I can confirm...he is trying to kill you.

Autofixation > Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen 04/08/2015 at 18:49

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These sports cars you speak of, will you be paying for them or will he?

Autofixation > PS9 04/08/2015 at 18:51

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I don't entirely agree with this logic, I've taken apart my share of washing machines and dishwashers and repaired them.

RallyWrench > Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen 04/08/2015 at 18:53

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It'd get you on Speedhunters.

TahoeSTi > Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen 04/08/2015 at 19:02

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When it fails make VW replace it. They are on their 3rd or 4th version of it now and seem to be safe. Our 2009 Sportswagen HPFP went out around 70,000 mile VW replace the entire fuel system, my only cost was the tow bill to the dealership...and if i asked they may have covered that too. They seem to hold up much better on the new models.

If the DPF clogs just put in a raw tech down pipe and get a tune, you get another 8-10mpgs on the highway.

The Intake Flapper Value motor will fail at some point VW will want to replace the entire intake manifold ($800+), DONT just buy the $60 part from diesel geeks and fix it yourself (15-45min)

there are also common issues with the turbo, but now there's an aftermarket company making just the turbo actuator for these motors and it's $300 so when the turbo fails you can avoid replacing the entire thing ($1400).

An then there's the ABS Module Sucks, i think ours is cracked VW wants $3k to fix that, It's only an intermittent failure for us at this point, and there is an after market repaired unit that has be enhanced to prevent the break available for $300 but it's basically behind the factory down pipe so good luck getting to it.

The drive train issues are usually around the multiple flywheel in manuals but we have blow a cv shaft before we 100k miles.

Love the car but I think aftermarket warranties on these things are a must....I should have bought one. So far I've only had 3 out of the 5 common issues.

and 100 more > Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen 04/08/2015 at 19:15

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There comes a time in every young man's life where he eventually has to run from his murderous father's evil machinations. It seems your time has come.

Your options are thus: succumb to your paternal love and years of conditioned respect, and fall under his knife in due time; run to somewhere far away acquire a new identity, and spend every last day looking over your shoulder; or one-up the old man and give him the works.

Only you can decide. Godspeed, good sir.

(*For legal purposes, I'm just joking y'all. Please don't murder your fathers. Please.)

Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen > Mr. Ontop, No Strokes, No Smokes...Goes Fast. 04/08/2015 at 19:17

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YES THIS IS IT :(

Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen > Autofixation 04/08/2015 at 19:19

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His insurance... he and mom said that when I graduate from college they will title it over to me...

either that or I'll just buy a relatively cheap $2k miata using some of my savings

Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen > TahoeSTi 04/08/2015 at 19:21

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Yeah... no issues yet as of 4 years and 87k miles :/

Calm before the storm? Also, he is too much of a cheapskate to pay for a Rawtek downpipe and Malone tune...

Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen > and 100 more 04/08/2015 at 19:21

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K, will murder using a Chucky doll...

and 100 more > Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen 04/08/2015 at 19:24

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Perfect! The dimwitted constable, with his picked brain and vast knowledge of 80's movies, will assume the doll is alive and committed the murder, thus leaving you scott-free! Brilliant plan!

vwbeamer > Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen 04/08/2015 at 19:25

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A. I think you dad is trolling and, B. your High Pressure Fuel Pump may last a very long time. I'm not sure how much you have read, so forgive me if you have already read the following.

There is a Lubricity Additive Study done by forum member on one the diesel boards and Bio Diesel was found to greatly help Lubricity of the fuel. (google "Spicer Report Diesel) or follow this link- Spicer Report discussion.

This is import because the HPFP is lubricated by the fuel and it's life greatly depends on the quality of fuel and it ability to lub it. When sulfur was removed from diesel, it's much like when lead was removed from gas. The lead lubricated the valves in gas motors, the sulfur lubricated the injection/HPFP pumps in diesels.

Keep the HPFP happy by adding some extra lub, and it very well could last as long as the motor.

Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen > and 100 more 04/08/2015 at 19:25

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Maybe...

Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen > vwbeamer 04/08/2015 at 19:26

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But he isn't trolling me... he is perfectly serious :(

Scary__goongala! > Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen 04/08/2015 at 20:16

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My dad's fire breathing level of pessimism causes him to say things about a variety of subjects that leaves me with no intelligent response sometimes.

Jordaneer, The Mountaineer Man > Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen 04/08/2015 at 20:32

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Witness Relocation Program?

Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen > Jordaneer, The Mountaineer Man 04/08/2015 at 20:34

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Maybe :'(

Dingers Ghost, Champion Jockey > Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen 04/08/2015 at 23:01

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I don't think "Dad logic" is an actual thing that exists. I've given up on trying to understand my father's own logic about many things. Sometimes there just is none to be found.

TahoeSTi > Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen 04/09/2015 at 12:17

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If you drive enough that mod at least has a chance at paying it's self off with the increased MPGs. Also Raw Tech has deals some times the DP was $400 last month and the DP + EGT delete kit was $660.

I forgot about the issues the EGT can cause.

wafflesnfalafel > Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen 04/09/2015 at 21:19

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I believe it is a father's obligation to express their often less than rational opinion on the subject at hand. And new civics are kinda weird - so forget that.